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style rally saying the fiscal cliff ball is in the republican court. surae chinn is on capitol hill. >> i'm urging congress to take action, stop playing games, and let's move on. >> reporter: frustration has boiled over for bob packer, a small business owner. >> i'm disappointed and angry. if they were my representeddives, i'd certainly vote them out of office. >> on tie mitchell of brokering a deal is waning. >> we do have a chance, an outside chance to get this done. >> we need two words. presidential leadership, on not just taxing rich people. >> reporter: some democratic lawmakers are calling on the house speaker to call house republicans back to work. >> bring the house back now. show up to work. >> reporter: the speaker has ordered republicans back on sunday but democrats want them to return sooner. both sides are blaming each other for the lack of compromise. democrats say house speaker is boehner is holding all the cards. >> the speaker of the house has got to allow a vote. he has got to allow the full house to work their will and get it done. so far he has been unwilling to
and white house to avert the "fiscal cliff." >> republicans aren't about to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> reporter: house members will return to capitol hill on sunday and could begin voting that night. they would have about 24 hours to approve a deal. adding to the urgency, treasury secretary timothy geithner warned congress that the nation's debt limit will be reached by december 31st and extraordinary measures would have to be taken to avoid default on the government's loans. danielle nottingham, cbs 5, washington. >> tomorrow's meeting with the president will be the first time president obama sat down with all four leaders since november 16th. and tonight, senator mitch mcconnell said that he was interested in hearing what the president proposes, elizabeth. >> sounds like right now there's a lot of finger- pointing but not a lot of problem-solving. >> reporter: exactly. and both sides again today, house speaker john boehner, he was saying that to his house republicans on the conference call he sai
republican lawmaker says his party is not even trying to solve the fiscal cliff crisis and why he thinks that may be a good thing. interesting take coming up. >>> plus, russian president vladmir putin, have you heard what he did? taking aim at americans who hope to adopt russian children. what's behind this controversial move? a live report next. jon: right now syria's opposition leader is rejecting an invitation for peace talks as the violence escalates. the country's ally, russia, is inviting the leader of syria's opposition to visit moskow for the first time but that offer turned down. some interesting developments here. let's get them from leland vittert live in our mideast bureau. leland? >> reporter: jon, no one really views russia as an honest broker here especially the rebels who for so long seen russia side with pat assad in this conflict. they don't really want to deal with the russians, hence turning down the invitation. the rebels now think time is on their side. the momentum is on the battlefield has shifted. for so long the rebels were outgunned and outmaneuvered. they hold
to happen. we have to try to avoid the biggest dive that we could take off the fiscal cliff. >> republicans are blaming democrats. you've heard the line, washington doesn't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem. i want to play this from senator john thune and get your reaction. >> even if the president got everything he wanted, it generates -- next year alone, so the question is, what do we do for the other 358 days of the year? we have to do something on the spending side of the equation. >> if we look at just the spending -- what cuts would you support? >> the president has put forward and agreed to speaker boehner -- in meeting the republicans more than halfway, he's agreed to a dollar in revenue to a dollar in spending cuts. i mean, hundreds of billions in spending cuts, we voted for a trillion in spending cuts, richard, last summer with no revenue at all when we agreed to the debt ceiling deal that triggered this fiscal cliff fiasco. so we have put hundreds of billions, and we're willing to put more than a trillion in spending cuts. the republicans are still really leaving
the fiscal cliff. it's republican leader will call the session on sunday. the top senate said his branch of congress must take the initiative on a compromise. >> it appears to me the action if there is any is now on the senate and we will have to see if we're able on a bipartisan to move forward. >> but the democrats say there can be no deal without republican concessions on tax increases. >> unless we get a sign-off from the republicans in the house, we can't get anything done. for them to talk about a bipartisan arrangement, we have done that. >> without a deal, the mediate effect would billion a tax hike. relief checks to $2 million -- 2 million onamericans would also cut, possibly triggers another major u.s. recession. >> things that you don't really need, you're not going to get. >> it will probably affect my finances in a huge way. >> it will affect my dad. my dad's 76 and he's already got his food stamps cut and his medicaid cut. i don't know how much more than can cut. >> half of all americans now expect no deal by new year's day. by a margin of 2-1 they hold the republicans more
to democrats who control the senate and white house to avert the "fiscal cliff." >> republicans aren't about to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> reporter: house members will return to capitol hill on sunday and could begin voting that night. they would have about 24 hours to approve a deal. adding to the urgency, treasury secretary timothy geithner warned congress that the nation's debt limit will be reached by december 31st and extraordinary measures would have to be taken to avoid default on the government's loans. danielle nottingham, cbs 5, washington. >>> just hours ago hawaii's lieutenant governor became the country's newest senator. >> congratulations. >> thank you. >> 40-year-old brian schatz takes the place of long-time senator daniel inouye. inouye died just last week. schatz traveled from hawaii to washington aboard air force one with president obama last night. >>> former president george h.w. bush remains in intensive care tonight. a family spokesman says the 88- year-old is alert, in guarde
take the country over the fiscal cliff if he so chews. republicans were elected to get the fiscal house in order. maybe it's time to stand up for your kids, your grandchildren. maybe they should dig in their heels and say they are looking out for the future and future generations. maybe now is is a time to take a principle stand and say they are not going to let washington continue with the out of control spending, the debts and deficit. maybe now at this moment maybe that's the right thing to do. joining me now with reaction to the developing steer are congressman loui gomert and -- go ahead. >> i can totally with him that he cannot imagine our consciouses in the house because you would have to have one to imagine ours, and he's shown repeatedly over three years of no budget? come on. the guy has to have no conscious or he would have been embarrassed and would have given up leadership on his own if he had any conscious whatsoever. we have passed a bill to deal with the fiscal cliff. congressman, let me go through this. they haven't passed a bill in 1300 days in the united states senate
in the program. a positive turn in the fiscal cliff crisis. house republicans agree to meet sunday night to resume talks after a day of finger-pointing and complaining in washington. on wall street, fiscal fears created whiplash for investors: a big stock market sell-off and then bounce back on word that lawmakers are springing back into action. and, if you used your smartphone to shop this christmas, you're in fashion. it was the year's top retail trend. we have that and more tonight on "n.b.r."! a dramatic cliff-hanger today between washington and wall street about the fiscal cliff. stocks initially sold off after senate majority leader harry reid predicted the economy would go over the cliff. speaking from the senate floor he said there's not enough time between now and the end of the year to reach a deal. but stocks erased their losses ithe final hour of trading on news that the house of representatives will reconvene on sunday night to resume talks. by the closing bell, the dow was down only 18 points, bouncing back from a triple digit loss, the nasdaq lost four, and the s&p slipped
seem to be okay with going over the fiscal cliff. what about republicans? it may not be a bad thing to pay a principled stand out of the out of control spending. joining me now to explain whether it's a good idea we have juan williams and brent brazel. good to see you. >> good to see you, sean. >> before we go forward, in light of the newtown shooting, i found these comments by the house minority leader so over the top, and very little criticism, very little notice in the media, but i think it's important that we highlight it, especially in light of the shooting. watch this. >> it's somewhat like taking your child hostage and saying to somebody else, i'm going to shoot my child if you don't do what i want done. you don't want to shoot your child. there's no republican leader that wants to default on our debt. >> juan, i know you would never support something like that. but you would think, is there any little sensitivity here? >> i agree. we don't need that kind of right now. we don't need it. and i think this is his point, republicans have been playing hardball, and i think when yo
-called fiscal cliff. something both democrats and republicans have called a worst case scenario. is temporarily going tv cliff is a best-case scenario for all parties involved? joining me now is maggie haberman. thank you for bog the show. >> thanks for having me. >> i want to play something that pat write murray said just a few days after the election from november. >> we just had an election where president obama ran on that. we increased our majority in the senate with democratic candidates who said that to solve this problem the wealthiest americans have to pay their fair share, too. so -- if the republicans will not agree with that, we will reach a point at the end of the year where all of the tax cuts expire and we will start over next year and whatever we do will be a tax cut for whatever package we put together. >> when senator murray first said that there is a lot of -- anger on the gop saying she's willing to take us over the fiscal cliff. even some democrats said it was too early to have that mindset. but it seems to be that's what a lot of democrats would now like to see so they can
guards in school. they will have a deal. if it goes over the fiscal cliff, it will hurt the republicans more. host: thank you for the call. a photograph of the president, cutting short his vacation. leaders were blaming each other for the stalled negotiations just days before tax increases lock in. more from the floor of the senate yesterday, harry reid. [video clip] >> speaker boehner should not have that members go back. they are not here. they are not here. john bennett seems to keep more about keeping his speakership than keeping the nation on firm financial footing. he is waiting until january 3 to get reelected as speaker. he has so many people over there that will not follow what he wants. that is obvious from the debacle that took place last week. host: back to your calls and comments. negotiations resumed at 3:00 p.m. this afternoon at the white house. north carolina on the republican line, good morning. caller: how are you/ i'm doing well -- how are you? the budget as far as the epa, i wonder if that would help cutting the budget, plus cutting entitlement spending. instead of
to fiscal cliff. >> this is like taking your child hostage and saying to somebody else i'm going shoot my child if you don't do what i want done. there is no republican lead they're wants to default on our debt. >> eric: that is a different story. not the fiscal cliff. that is debt ceiling debate we were talking about. he says give us a checkbook and taking a shot at republicans. that is different from the fiscal cliff. >> andrea: they are intertwined. not separate entities. i point out is the language he used. con plaited republicans holding their children hostage and murdering them. imagine if the republicans said that. you have don't hear about it. you hear about it here. >> kimberly: because we put it on fox news. i like to play a game called seal a new deal. go around the table. >> andrea: taken. >> kimberly: it has? >> andrea: yeah, sorry. >> kimberly: we play this and begin with you. let me know what you think. deal or no deal by the time of the deadline? >> no deal. meeting with the political theater. >> kimberly: andrea? >> andrea: no deal. >> kimberly: he doesn't want one. he is
in the fiscal cliff crisis. house republicans agree to meet sunday night to resume talks after a day of finger-pointing and complaining in washington. on wall street, fiscal fears created whiplash for investors: a big stock market sell-off and then bounce back on word that lawmakers are springing back into action. and, if you used your smartphone to shop this christmas, you're in fashion. it was the year's top retail trend. we have that and more tonight on "n.b.r."! a dramatic cliff-hanger today between washington and wall street about the fiscal cliff. stocks initially sold off after senate majority leader harry
cliff if he so chooses. they were elected to get the fiscal house in order. now is the time for republicans to stand up for your kids and grandchildren. maybe she the should say they're looking out for the future, future generations maybe now is the time to take a stabbed stand and say they're not going let washington continue with this out of control spending, debt, maybe now, at this moment, maybe that is the right thing to do. and joining me now with reaction to this developing story are two house republicans, congressman louie gomert. welcome back to "hannity". >> good to be with you. >> sean, i can -- . >> sean: go ahead. >> i can sympathize that he can not imagine our consciences in the house because you'd have to have one to aimagine ours. and he's shown repeatedly, over three years of no budget? come on. jm%lx >>> and first through on december 31. up, hairy reid saying it's time to cut spending not for now, but future generations who arere"Ñde one that's have to pay this off? >> it seems tozc)Ñ my, congressn gomer this has been the bush tax cuts have been lost sin
three days before year-end deadline to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. obama and congressional republicans remain at an impasse over the republicans' refusal to allow tax hikes even for the wealthiest americans. if an agreement is not reached in time, $600 billion in automatic spending cuts and tax increases will go into effect on january 1. but the tax increases would not necessarily be permanent. the new congress could pass legislation to cancel them retroactively after it begins its work next year. >> while the so-called fiscal cliff has dominated the news headlines, the senate is also preparing to vote today to continue a controversial domestic surveillance program. in a blow to civil liberties advocates, the senate rejected three attempts thursday to add oversight and privacy safeguards to the foreign intelligence surveillance act. joining us from washington is democratic congressmember dennis kucinich. this is his last again congress after serving eight terms. since 1997, dennis kucinich has been a leading progressive voice on capitol hill, into these articles of impeachm
for republicans in the middle of the fiscal cliff thing they throw boehner over the edge or start the process for removing boehner? seems if anything, again, as a pragmatic matter that even maybe hurts the republicans more or is it right? is anthony right that you are going to lose ground anyway so you might as well stick to your first principles and look at what happened to george h.w. bush after he went back on his tax no tax pledge. >> if he can't lead and offer solutions he probably shouldn't be there. there is a great game as to if not he, who. that is a fair question. these things happen fast. i'm not saying that it will. the only people that can really counter are the 435 members in there. they know what is happening on the inside. >> laura: what should he do? >> offer a solution. >> laura: what solution? he tried to offer. >> offer a bold solution and go out to america and debate it and don't do secret meetings. we had two years of simpson bowles and knew this was coming. debate the concepts with america and continue debating them. >> laura: don't worry about the fiscal cliff. >> push
your local news on "cbs this morning," an update on washington's fiscal cliff negotiations. we'll hear from republican senator bob corker, plus the damaging economic strikes looming at more than a dozen of our nation's forts. >>> a guy getting fit will sit with the best-selling authors of "fit" this year. that's the "cbs morning news" for this friday. thanks for watching. i'm duarte geraldino. have a great day. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> your realtime captioner: linda marie macdonald >>> hi, everyone. good morning. it's our last friday of 2012! december 28th. i'm frank mallicoat. >> i'm michelle griego. time now is just about 4:30. let's start things off with a look at weather and traffic. i feel like i'm losing my voice. >> oh, no. >> i know. >> are you really? >> a little bit. >> you have so many visitors in town. >> i know! >> the entire state of colorado stayed at your house! >> you will have the weekend to rest your voice. >>> in the weather, we are getting a check of our high-def doppler radar. and it's quiet for now. but we are anticipating some big changes by thi
politicians are running out of time to avoid the budget crisis known as the fiscal cliff. every reed said democrats and republicans had to stop squabbling to have any chance at which an agreement by december 31st and higher taxes and spending cuts will automatically take effect. president obama has cut short his holiday to revive the talks. >> if we go over this cliff, the house of representative with four days left are not here with the speaker having told him that he will have 458 hours' notice. i cannot imagine their conscience out there wherever they are around the country and we are trying to get something done. >> why is the american economy teetering on the edge of the cliffs? these are some of the things that president obama is trying to prevent with the return to the lighthouse. an employment has fallen to a four year low and currently stands at 7.7%. no deal could mean 2.1 million jobs disappearing parent to it would equate to a contraction of 1.5% in the value of all goods and services america producers meaning less money to afraid with the rest of the world. as far as the repu
the can down the road, jeff, we'll do some small deal and create another fiscal cliff to deal with this fiscal cliff. >> just let the people's housework its will. instead of handing over the keys to the most extreme elements in the house republican caucus. >> a lot of people donnell realize he is blocking a vote in the house. >> i think in the end we'll get a deal. the question is the timing. >> i am hopeful there will be a deal that avoids the worst parts of the fiscal cliff. >> i want to bring you in and say good morning to sander levin. sir, it's good to have you with me. what is your expectations or thoughts about hear that the president and vice president joe biden are calling the four congressional leaders behind closed closed doors today. >> i am hopeful. i wouldn't say i'm optimistic, but i think confidence has gone down. i think the key is whether the speaker will be the speaker of the entire house and let the matters come before us where there could be a majority of democrats and perhaps a majority of republicans, but let es speak our will and act on our will. that's
>> it is time to roll up the sleeves and get down to business on the fiscal cliff. democrats and republicans have made the trip to the white house. i'm ashley webster,. it is the last hour of trading, and count down to the closing bell starts now. we have breaking news from washington. rich edson at the white house where president obama is about to meet with key members of congress, and, rich, there's talk of a scaled down deal put forth by the president. what have you heard? >> it that is the discussion. you have harry reid, mitch mcconnell arriving at the white house, should have house leadership shortly to begin a meeting, a last ditch effort to try to help the economy avoid the fiscal cliff, or at least pieces of it, and, yes, the buzz around washington is a possible path forward that aids describe as preventing tax increase for income amounts of $400,000 or $500,000 or so, extend unemployment insurance, but, still, nothing has been agreed to. all in washington are waiting to see how this meeting goes. it's just about to start here in dc. meanwhile, on capital hill, the f
proposal from republicans, well, pretty much, we're headed towards the fiscal cliff and going over. there has to be movement towards a middle ground, and as the meeting started, there was no. we are awaiting reports on what happened. they met for an hour and five minutes. could have been progress towards another type of workable frame work to maybe kick this into next year, but as of the start of this meeting, it was not looking good. the white house will be updating ceos at 5:30, a staff call, staff from white house calling a number of ceos, having a conference call to update them. lloyd blankfein of goldman sachs on the call, trying to confirm other members of the call. thinks moving quickly, but not much progress. david: if there had been any kind of conclusion or any kind of agreement between republicans and democrats as we're looking at pictures -- that was nancy pelosi moments ago, if there was an agreement, there probably would have been an announcement, come out to the gaggle of reporters saying they are happy, and there was none of that announcing going on today; correct?
been a sense as long as these fiscal cliff negotiations have been going on an predating that to the last time the debt ceilings negotiations or give away that we're giving up way too much. and the sense is that it's all a could -- kabuki theater. >> president obama caught the hawaii vacation short for what reason? >> that's act one or two of the kabuki. to make it seem as though even though he flew off for vacation, he cares about what is happening. that's why so many americans and fox viewers obviously in particular are fed up with what's going on in d.c. because it seems there's always a predetermined conclusion. and for the last 30, 40 years in american politics, that end has been kicking the can down the road further and not telling america that finally once and for all we need to just suck it up, take the consequences of all of the provely gacy over the years in washington, d.c. when they say cut spending, mean it. >> mean it. >> efficient the fiscal cliff, it should be called the obama cliff and swan dive over it. good idea or bad idea? >> yeah. i think that would
and he told his fellow republicans he hoped to have a fiscal cliff recommendation soon. >> we will be working hard to see if we can get there in next 24 hours and so i am hopeful and optimistic. >> reporter: but the sticking point remains finding something that can make it through the house with enough support from republicans. >> it seems like the 250 threshold that the president proposed previously is unlikely to pass the house in its current form, and so without some sort of additional compromise there, it seems unlikely that we're going to get something done before the end of the year. >> susie: you know thanks for that report. i am just wondering from all of the reporting you have done, do you think we are better off with a bad deal than no deal at all? >> you know susie when peopletal they are talking about a bad deal in political terms. frankly it's republicans that are most worried about the bad deal they have most leverage. the president has the most leverage. they are worried about a bad deal. any deal that gets us past the fiscal cliff is going to be seen as a good
, but can he lead both parties to a compromise fiscal cliff work-around? republicans say democrats have been dragging their feet for months and they won't be pressured into what they considered a bad deal that doesn't help balance the nation's books. >> the president calls congressional leaders to the white house, it's political theater or they have a deal. my bet is it's theater. >> reporter: speaker john boehner hasn't been able to get them to budge on a deal to raise taxes and the name calling is getting ugly. >> the american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating without the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority of the house of representatives to get what they want. >> reporter: and it's true the senate controlled by democrats is working this week, but they're not working on the fiscal cliff. and the house won't even be back to work until sunday, just two days before the year-end deadline. then there is also the milk fiscal cliff. have you heard of that one? if congress does not
. tom hudson will be along a little later in the program. a positive turn in the fiscal cliff crisis. house republicans agree to meet sunday night to resume talks after a day of finger-pointing and complaining in washington. on wall street, fiscal fears created whiplash for investors: a big stock market sell-off and then bounce back on word that lawmakers are springing back into action. and, if you used your smartphone to shop this christmas, you're in fashion. it was the year's top retail trend. we have that and more tonight on "n.b.r."! a dramatic cliff-hanger today between washington and wall street about the fiscal cliff. stocks initially sold off after senate majority leader harry
and not very effective, but ultimately, i think they will avoid the fiscal cliff. >> but neither side appears willing to give in. democrats, for example, are frustrated that republicans will not agree to raise taxes on the wealthy. >> the majority of rich people in our great country are willing to pay more. the only people who disagree with that are republicans who work in this building. >> republicans say that democrats want to spend too much money. so, as much of the united states digs out from yet another series of snowstorms, many average citizens are asking themselves what it will take to get politicians in washington to stop squabbling and come up with a compromise that will help put america's fiscal house in order. >> are both parties determined to go over the fiscal cliff together? let's bring in our washington correspondent for more on this. what can you tell us about the meeting coming up in less than an hour? what will the president talking about with the republican leadership? >> there are only six people who really know what is going on, and what will really happen at the white h
-called fiscal cliff, taxes and spending cuts unless democrats and republicans reach a deal by new year's eve. >> nearly all the major players in those negotiations are starting to agree on one thing, and that is that a deal is virtually impossible by that deadline. senior officials say there is little hope of a grand bargain to shave trillions of dollars off of america's mountain of debt. >> applause for the bell at the start of the trading day is a daily ritual at the new york stock exchange, despite the enthusiasm, traders are keeping an anxious eye on share prices. the fiscal cliff is on everyone's mind. u.s. treasury secretary timothy geithner has warned that his department will need to take extraordinary measures to postpone the upcoming government defaults. he plans adjustments to the national budget that would give the u.s. two months of grace. president barack obama has said he is still hopeful that a resolution can be reached this year. he cut short his vacation in hawaii to restart negotiations with republicans in congress. before christmas, the president called for bipartisan coop
leader harry reid is ready to introduce legislation that would avert the fiscal cliff, but only if he gets assurances from republican leaders that they won't try to block it. that standoff is creating some tension on capitol hill that spilled on to the senate floor today. >> the senate will come to order. >> reporter: in the normally genteel senate, leader reid unleashed a tirade today about house speaker john boehner, accusing him of running a dictatorship in the house. >> speaker boehner is not willing to negotiate. we have not heard a word from leader mcconnell. nothing is happening. >> reporter: mitch mcconnell, the top republican in the senate, said it's reid who hasn't reached out for weeks. >> the phone never rang. and so now here we are, five days from the new year, and we might finally start talking. >> reporter: but talking about what? so far, reid has not introduced the scaled-down bill he was reportedly working on over the christmas holiday. sources say that bill would extend the bush-era tax cuts for americans making less than $250,000 a year. with the clock ticking, reid
that the president is doing a better job negotiating on this fiscal cliff, and that they will blame republicans more if we go over it. >> we have certainly been hearing that. ross, you have been saying no matter who comes out on the deal, it makes it less likely republicans will win tax debates anytime soon. >> yeah, in the sense that, you know, the party has -- i think charles is right, that the party has sort of locked itself into a corner where yes, there is this possibility that they'll be able to vote for tax cuts and they'll be able to say, well, we held the line. we did our best and so on. but the danger for them is that these stopped being the bush tax cuts and become the obama tax cuts, right? i think that's what conservatives and republicans should be most worried about from a long-term political perspective right now. i mean, in a sense, they have sort of -- they have won a particular policy battle in the sense that most of the bush tax cuts, both parties believe should be extended. right? we're talking about 97%, 98% of the bush tax cuts. you could say that's a policy win for republicans
passed after we went over the fiscal cliff, it then loses whatever upside there was for republicans, except, and we have to mention this, for republicans vulnerable to primary challenges, there's obviously a lot of anxiety about being, you know, the first republican in 20 years to vote for a tax increase. i think that's the big fear, that it's been so long. republicans haven't cast this kind of vote. you don't want to be the first one to do it. >> yeah, and charles, we're told the democrats may be waiting until the very last minute. maybe they're banking on pressure and the gop caving. what should americans make of that with so much at stake here? i think there's gamesmanship on both sides, that's obviously true, but i think democrats understand they get a better deal out of this if they actually go over the cliff. what the president was offering, his last round of offers, was in fact something that a lot of democrats and liberals did not take kindly to. in fact, when boehner was not able to pass plan b, he threw the president a lifeline and said nobody can be mad at you because i c
the fiscal cliff. >> the idea, republicans and this is the idea that has been floated, will let us go off the cliff sor they or certain members won't have to raise taxes. >> they will cut taxes retroactive retroactively. >> seems like a bad way to go. >> look, this was a machine built to encourage compromise. and it may get easier for some republicans to come back in january if we go over the cliff. the reason, of course, all the bush tax cuts expire with the cliff, when you come back, you would only be voting to cut taxes on some force of the public, up to a certain income level. if you do it now, basically extend push tax cuts, are you effectively raising taxes on some people. might be easier for republicans, it takes us only a small step of the larger accommodation we need. we need some kind of long-term agreement to stabilize the federal government's finances and automatic spending cut side of this is a really blunt instrument. they have to come together if they are going to deal with this, and the problem as i say, all political incentives are toward polarization and refusing to bend
and congressional leaders will meet later today trying to hammer out a deal on the fiscal cliff. we'll ask republican senator bob corker if a deal is likely and tell you how no deal could significantly impact everything from the price of milk to the price of gas. >>> we also look back at the life and legacy of general norman schwarzkopf. and a double agent tells us how facebook was used to infiltrate al qaeda. >>> but we begin this morning with today's "eye opener," your world in 90 seconds. >>> the house and republican have left town. the negotiations between the president and speaker have fallen apart. you can't legislate with yourself. >>> republicans have bent over backward. we wanted an agreement, but we had no takers. >> washington scrambles to avert the fiscal cliff. >>> president obama has asked the congressional leaders to meet at the white house today. >> if they cannot reach a deal, the economists warn that could trigger another recession. >> are they going to avoid a fiscal cliff, eric? [ laughter ] as stormin' norman has died. he commanded the u.s.-led international coalition
, at their kitchen tables, understand not only what this fiscal cliff is. but i think part of what the representative is telling us here, we have to be really clear about is what republicans would like to do is hold the country's long term hostage on the short term. and it's critical the democrats, no matter how important it is to get a deal done, don't get the wrong deal done. they've goth to make sure that a fair deal happens. >> thank you, i'm going to let you guys keep going on this because i really want to help bring this home. congressman and thank you, melissa harris perry, thank you both for your time this evening. and happy new year to both of you. but don't forget to tune in to melissa harry-perry saturdays and sundays at the 10:00 a.m. hour, here, eastern time on msnbc. coming up, more on the president's comments on the fiscal cliff negotiations and politics over people. republicans bring the country to the brink again. and millions of unemployed americans are nervously waiting. and what a year it's been. the votes are in. we have the "politics nation" picture of the year coming up. you're
the fiscal cliff is overrated? >> because ultimately a deal is going to happen. if the republicans are smart, which so far unfortunately it hasn't been working out that way, but if the republicans are smart, they are going to use that and they are going to get every single thing they wanted, including a huge reduction in expenditures. >> the way it seems to be rolling out now is that all our taxes, every single income level is going to go up january 1st if no deal is struck. the democrats, i assume, intend to paint that as a republicans have raised all your taxes and blame republicans. so i don't think the democrats see this as a win for the republicans. >> no. i think that's right. i think that's fine and let it happen because ultimately all of these folks that signed the pledge, and some people that sign a pledge, whether you like the pledge or not, i mean, they sort of feel committed to it. now the tacks go up for a short period of time and then they give a tax reduction. even if that happens to be somewhat more than what they were paying as of last week. so it's going to be a very intere
that you say the republicans are in a stronger position than they realize going into this fiscal cliff debate or debacle, whatever you want to call it? >> i think they are in the strongest position if they only knew the debt creel is coming up in a very short period of time. frankly, if you remember on your show i said they should not agree to extend the debt ceiling beyond the election. and when they did that, and as soon as they did that, they love the election. they would have won the election had it come due before and they would have won that had they stuck to it but they didn't do it. but the debt ceiling has to be agreed to. they have the cards i just don't think they know it, unfortunately. they should get everything they want based on the debt ceiling alone. >> explain it to me. suppose the republicans dug their heels in the ground and said they refuse to raise the debt ceiling. how would that empower them? >> well, the government, i mean unfortunately, as it almost has anyway, would come to a total standstill. with the debt ceiling coming due in another month from now, they s
. >>> this morning's big story is the fiscal cliff. with the clock ticking, president obama is inviting top lawmakers to the white house today. >> he will meet with both republican and democratic leaders to try to find an agreement on avoiding this fiscal cliff. sherry ly is live at the white house this morning with the latest. >> reporter: good morning. the tone here in washington hasn't really changed much since before christmas. now, with days to go before going over that so-called fiscal cliff, the president is hoping today's 3:00 meeting here at the white house with democratic and republican leaders will help avoid this standoff. both sides continue to play the blame game though. senate majority leader harry reid attacked house speaker john boehner for blocking a vote on a potential deal while the gop led house isn't due back until sunday, just one day before the deadline to avoid the automatic tax increases in spending cuts that could send the nation into recession. the differences between the two sides remain intact. democrats want to raise taxes on everyone earning more than $250,000 a year a
, the vice president, and the treasury secretary trying to hammer out a fiscal cliff deal. the meeting began about an hour ago in what could be the final face-to-face meeting between the president and lawmakers of both parties before monday's midnight deadline. the house is scheduled to reconvene on sunday evening to do what we don't exactly know. so joining us live from the white house is nbc's kristin welker. kristin, welcome. >> reporter: thanks, karen. good afternoon. >> so what are we hearing about this meeting? i know it's still going on. any news? >> reporter: well, we do know this, a source familiar with these talks says that president obama is not going to be offering anything new during this afternoon's meeting. he's essentially going to be saying what he said at the white house last friday when he called on congress to put forth a package that would extend bush era tax cuts for those making $250,000 or less, extend unemployment insurance benefits, as well as stave off some of those deep spending cuts that are set to go into effect. the president is going to make the argument that
on the fiscal cliff. we'll ask republican senator bob corker if a deal is likely, and tell you how no deal could significantly impact everything from the price of milk to the price of gas. >> we also look back at the life and legacy of general norman schwarzkopf and a double agent tells "60 minutes" how he used facebook to infiltrate al qaeda. >> we begin with a look at today's "eye opener" your world in 90 seconds. >> the republicans in the house have left town, the negotiations
. and then we go over the fiscal cliff and i agree that it just kicks the can a little bit further. part of the problem is we have no leadership here. gerri: let's get rich edson back into this. my next question is, what happens next? do we just wait for harry reid and mitch mcconnell to come up with something? when might we have more of these meetings? reporter: senate leaders will meet tonight. carrie reeder says he is suspending regular business on the senate floor tomorrow so leadership can work on us. they are working on issues and have been for the last couple of days. at that point, sometime sunday morning, they will have to make a decision as whether they got enough votes for they have come up with something that can actually pass the house and the senate. if that's the deal and they do reach some kind of skeleton or compromise that they can sell the democrats and republicans in the house and senate, they will begin that process once leadership is signed off. the time from then it's a little bit longer when you consider that the house has a rule that any bill must be posted onlin
the ball on the middle class. >> reporter: there was a new year's eve style rally saying the fiscal cliff ball is in the republicans court. >> it's republicans who are holding hostage the middle class in america so that the wealthy don't have to pay their fair share. >> we need two words. presidential leadership, while not just taxing rich people. >> reporter: tennessee republicans lamar alexander and bob corker said the president has to take the lead. corker was not optimistic about the white house meeting. >> we're going end one a small kick the can down the road bill that creates another fiscal cliff to deal with this fiscal cliff. >> reporter: today's meeting at the white house is the first time since mid-november that at the present time has had all four congressional leaders in the same ram at the same time. their past fiscal cliff talks have not been productive. adding to the urgency, 2 million unemployed americans will lose their benefits on saturday if a deal is not reached. the nation's borrowing limit to finance is 16 trillion will be maxed out by monday. and it is unclear how
on this fiscal cliff, i think a lot of republicans will move towards that $250,000 number. 24e may not like the president's deal or his approach, but both sides want to extend middle class tax rates. that's the key. both parties agree they want to extend to a certain threshold middle class tax rates. it's all about where that ball ends pup. >> so you think republicans will go for $250,000. >> i don't think the republican leadership will agree on $250,000, but you will see as many republicans move towards $250,000, maybe a scattering in the senate, a scattering in the house, because at the end of the day they want to extend as many rates as possible. >> but, richard, the real question here, they don't have to agree to $250,000 but they have to let a vote happen on $250,000. in of that case mitch mcconnell would have to agree not owe filibuster and speaker boehner would have to allow the bill to come to the floor. it's 9 process disagreements. >> i may not be the only person who is getting confused on the optimist/pessimist signals. let's listen to what we heard from a couple senators. first
that he thinks this will fiscal cliff matter comes down as one white house meeting two hours from now. another top senate republican said a short time ago that he was calling on president obama to lead. >> the president is not a senator anymore. he's a president. just as president reagan worked to deal with tip o'neill and bill clinton and president eisenhower, we need leadership on not just taxing rich people, but we contact them and it wouldn't help the medicare fiscal cliff. greg: others are skeptical, noting that high-profile meetings are for show often times and all about tactics. we expect the president will try a stopgap measure extending middle-class tax rates, extending unemployment benefits for some 2 million americans, do some small spending cuts now, but not entitlement reform. an ally of the white house and the house of representatives offered this. >> this is not for show. it is a last-ditch effort by the president to bring the congressional leaders together to try and get at least a small package. a small deal together before the new year. in order to avoid some of the
. congressman, good to see you. could you back that scaled back plan to avoid going over the fiscal cliff? >> as i said all along, republicans don't want taxes to go up on anyone. if we have an impasse on january 1st, they go up on everyone. so at some point, i think that we republicans have got to realize that if we can't save everybody, we need to try to save as many people as possible. that's not advocating a tax increase. if a lifeguard sees ten people drowning off his beach and can only save nine of them, it doesn't mean he's drowned the tenth one. >> you're a strong, fiscal conservative, but part of that problem solvers camp who's not going to let the whole country go off the cliff. but what about your fellow fiscal conservatives? are there going to be enough of you to support a pared down plan that does raise taxes on 2% of americans? >> no, it doesn't raise taxes. those tax increases will go into effect. there's no bill before the congress that raises taxes. there are many bills that are trying to stop those taxes in various forms. and let me be clear. i think the president's plan
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